I am researching the "ayoub" rhythm. Can anybody tell me anything about this? I have bits and pieces of info, but nothing concrete about where it came from, the story behind it.
Also, what is the correct way to dance to this in an Arabic raqs sharki composition? I have seen lots of different things.
Thanks!
Katya
Also, what is the correct way to dance to this in an Arabic raqs sharki composition? I have seen lots of different things.
Thanks!
Katya
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Re: Ayoub rhythm
Mon, March 28, 2005 - 5:47 PMHi Katya, I will try to attempt this. From my teachings I was taught that ayoub came from egypt, possibly upper egypt but I am not 100% sure so dont quote me on it :) The ayoub was used in healing rituals originally and the sufi's also used this rhythm or at least one of the variations of the ayoub.
I use ayoub in my solo endings but leading with a zaar e.g. dom-tak-dom-tak dom-dom-tak-dom-tak. Hossam Ramzy also uses this technique. I feel that it gives the dancer some room to feel the ayoub. If you transition say from a maqsum to an ayoub really fast then you lose the feeling of the ayoub and all the dancer thinks of is that its the finale which in my opinion is no way to treat a dancer. So I generally do a slow zaar like 3-4 measures and build an ayoub slowly and then end it fast. I have also seen dancers do different things to an ayoub so I am not sure what is right or wrong, I also would like to know from a dancers perspective.
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Re: Ayoub rhythm
Mon, March 28, 2005 - 7:12 PMThanks, Zaid! Do you have any experience playing the ayoub for a melody at a consistent tempo? I am familiar with the zar ayoub, but I am so curious about the songs where it is used as the main rhythm for the melody. There is a song, called "Ayoub", and the melody is traditional; I think from Egypt. Amani does it on the MED Conference video from '97. The Georges Lamman Ensemble played for it.
I have heard that it is also called "Jacob's Ladder", because of the way it is structured?? There is some kind of legend about Jacob from the Bible behind it? This is where I need help! I have some suspicions about where it came from historically, and I am just trying to piece it together :)
Thanks!
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Re: Ayoub rhythm
Mon, March 28, 2005 - 9:12 PMDo you mean Ala Dal A'Ona? Its dabke done on ayoub with a 6 shift. I have to dig some of my old Ayoub pieces. I know there are a good number out there.
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Re: Ayoub rhythm
Tue, March 29, 2005 - 5:51 AMHmmm...never heard of that one :( The style I'm talking about is not dabke, it has a very soft feeling to it. Which is why I suspect that it came from further east.
I'm thinking also that this rhythm may have come from Saudi Arabia, and then mixed with the people that came from the Silk Road. That's what it sounds like to me.
Well, I'll keep looking and see what comes up. If you could ask your Arab musician friends out there, I would really appreciate it! I'm sure they have some info :)
Thanks!
Katya xoxo -
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Re: Ayoub rhythm
Thu, June 30, 2005 - 6:02 PMI just wanted to bring this one back up...any new thoughts? -
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Thu, June 30, 2005 - 10:11 PMNo, but Amani told me to email her once she got back from Japan, and I keep forgetting. She's got the full scoop.
K xoxo -
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Re: Ayoub rhythm
Fri, July 1, 2005 - 6:05 PMDone. Let's see how long it takes her to reply! I'm sending her an invite, too... -
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Re: Ayoub rhythm
Fri, July 8, 2005 - 6:43 AMOK, just got this from Amani today:
"The story is more simple than what you are analyzing !! nothing much at all .
The Ayoub rhythm has been always related to the Zar even the music that I have used in my dance was in a zar film but I have put my own vision on it."
OH< well, I tried!
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Re: Ayoub rhythm
Sun, August 14, 2005 - 6:56 PMOK >...
I think I have got it...
I have this great new CD from Essam Rashad simply entitled, "Classical Egyptian Music." My favorite style of music. There are two tracks on this CD that make me swoon with love...
track #3: Big Heart
It's done in a fast ayoub rhythm, the one I've been trying to study. Not "zar style", where there is a crescendo. It's a steady rhythm accompanied by a gorgeous melody. This "stair case to Heaven" that "Jacob's ladder" is taking us to...it is to the HEART. Sufi symbolism. After hearing this song's title, it all came together for me. As Amani's last name really is "Ayoub", I can't help but wonder if she has a genetic advantage in interpreting this rhythm! She definitely takes us to the "heart" in her dancing, so there is some kind of mystery and magic going on here!!!
track #13: Gazal
This is my favorite Egyptian Classical song!!! Natacha Atlas does a new version of this called "Feras", which happens to be my maiden name, "Faris". Anyway, the structure in this piece is very similar to Turkish and Persian court poetry, which the love version is called "Gazal"; the Persians taught the Turks and the Arabs this style. I'm going to write a group classical choreography to this piece. -
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Re: Ayoub rhythm
Tue, August 16, 2005 - 5:38 PMThanks Katya - I will get that CD. I too love the Classics - and Ayoub just makes me tingle. -
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Re: Ayoub rhythm
Tue, August 16, 2005 - 9:01 PMYou'll love it! We listened to it and smoked some double apple tobacco in the hookah last night...with some tawny port wine...yummm...
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